9th Annual Fox Lake Car Show

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54OLDS88ROCKET wrote: As I stated in my post,this is strictly my opinion. It sounds like your the one that is getting bent out of shape. How do you figure, because I am standing up for what this forum is? This forum is a place for anyone who attends car shows to discuss anything automotive related, give there opinion, and see the opinion of others. No one said everyone has to agree, if we all agreed this site would be pretty boring. No,I do not agree that bashing is a constructive corrective tool.I have no problem with people wanting to rate a show,mine or anyone elses.What I don’t appreciate is all the hard work that goes into these events,Beaver Dam,Fox Lake,Pardeeville,Ashipun and the list goes on and on. So, you don’t appreciate the hard work of others, but then tell the members of this forum that we/they are the ones un-appreciative? These people need half a chance to fix mistakes, carry on with their events and have an opportunity to make a go of it from year to year.You know,these are people donating their time to give you these shows and every single one is for a descent and worthy cause.You lost perspective of the view of this. I haven’t lost perspective of anything. I would much rather attend a show where the proceeds went to a good cause instead of someones wallet. That’s the main reason I don’t attend anything put on by Madison Classics. A $10 plastic trophy we do not have,our trophy bill this year was over $8,000,but we feel that people deserve a memorable award.It’s not about that,it’s about putting verbage on with tact as to not sink events with your statements. You mentioned this in your own post,you said:why don’t people take issues up with me instead of telling it to the administrator? Isn’t this the same point I have raised when people are allowed to type whatever they feel is appropriate,do not go through the descent avenues they should and could care less about what this may do to an honest event?I think so.Usually,shows will help other shows with promoting,problem solving,patronage etc.I’ve done it and other shows have helped us as well from year to year.You said we received a couple bad reviews ….That’s fine,remember there is usually a flip side to every coin. I read nothing about certain contestants persuading, following and making judges uncomfortable when simply trying to score a vehicle,I’ve heard nothing about coming in front of an entire trophy presentation and demanding to see everyones judging sheets? Is this in good taste???Would you hand out everyones judging sheets to one guy? That is simply uncalled for and would never be acceptable. I agree with you on this, and I think I speak for every member on here when I say that no one here would do such a thing. I have asked for my judging sheet, and only mine because that is the only one I am concerned with. I hate to break this to you, but the world is full of assholes, and you can’t please everyone. I was at the Oregon show and saw a guy get pissed off and leave because the awards are plaques, not trophies. Its people like that who are going to ruin a show. I will mail individuals a copy of their judging form after the event,people like to use these as gauges for working on the vehicle.Those of you that know me understand that this is a completely fair run show.Our objective are to have the best vehicles in each class win.Yes,you are correct and it will help others try harder when competing.It was stated by someone in an earlier post that all the same cars win,I only have received complaints since the custom foreign class went in. Even when they win trophies and i’m talking about last year,an individual received a trophy and he still ripped the show up and down.Should I give him every trophy we have?? No, but even though he won an award, that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t have a legitimate gripe about something related to the show. An award doesn’t shut people up or quiet one’s opine. I’ve won awards at shows and been disappointed with many aspects of organization, does that make me a bad guy because I posted on here? To you probably. Many on here are always willing to sit down with someone and have a personable conversation with someone related to a show. However, its show staff like yourself who make it seem that you have an issue with those who attend the shows and want to help you make it better. If you want your ass kissed, I’m not your guy. I have a Corvette judge who has national certified status and he will tell you since year one how this event is set up fairly.So like I said,your ratings are fine,but tell it all. Every local show or event out there should have an opportunity to speak it’s piece when BASHING occurs. 99.9% of all show organizers know of this website, and many use the ratings to better there show. We even offer a judging standard for those who are starting a new show so they have something to go by. Other shows stay in contact,help each other out and do what we have to do to give you these shows.Handle issues the right way.Once again,these are pretty important fund raisers for pretty important objectives.Thank you to everyone who has supported us,even through the rain it was well worth it.

I think you need to not take critiscm and “Bashing” so seriously. I know one guy who used to take his cars to Fox Lake and never won an award. I asked him why, and he said it was straight up local politics – he and the fire chief didn’t see eye to eye. This is a trailered car keep in mind, and this car owners opinion.

You are more than welcome to be a part of this community, as everyone’s input is encouraged. Please do not think that every negative comment regarding your show is only from people using this site either. This is the internet, its not serious business. If your show is having problems, feel free to contact any of the members here via PM and speak with them about the review they gave. I’m sure they would be more than happy to discuss it with you over a beer

Hey thanks for the input Mopar dude,you are correct that I do take the show seriously and that’s why i am even on here to begin with.You know,I can see why no other organizers or show brass go on here.I just wanted my point heard and that it was!You talk about the people that are the silent type and right now they are agreeing with my opinion.Without coming right out and giving names,it’s one of your members I was referring to that pulled the things I referred to in my last post.(this year)I simply stated,TELL IT ALL !Don’t candy cote your review to make others look like ….!You know what i’m saying?I stated my opinion,i’m happy with that and I think many other shows understand exactly what I said.Thanks for the chance to speak my peace on behalf of the F.L.F.D. as we say on the fire dept.”Over and out !”Oh and the show isn’t having problems that can’t be ELIMINATED and ask anyone if they have ever seen the Fire Chief judge a vehicle.WOW! This is getting way out there ,it’s your site !I said what I had to so others would read that flip side I was talking about.Have a great summer!Tony

Once again, I’m not trying to argue with you, I’m just stating my point as I see it. Its obvious that you are only interested in discussing what you don’t like about your show, and that is this website and its options. If you need to eliminate attendee’s, that’s your choice and power as organizer of a show. To save you the trouble, I’ll make it a point to never attend your show, that way my “rate the show” of Fox Lake doesn’t upset you (whether it be good or bad).

The vehicle I reffered to about being trailered is a 1982 Buick Grand National, perhaps you remember it? Its a two-tone silver and gray car, 1 of 25 built in ’82 with a turbo and 1 of 16 known to be left in existance. By reading your posts, I’m starting to believe the owner of this car was right when he told me of his discrection about the Fox Lake show a few years ago… Anyway, I’m not here to fight others battles, I’m here to have fun with automobiles, enjoy various discussions with friends, and enjoy the hobby. If you don’t feel this site is worthwhile, then I recommend you go somewhere else.

Good luck with your car show. And if you ever get other shows, feel free to look me up – I drive a GN too.[/quote]Hey Mopar,I do remember the car(nice car)I believe the guys name was Pit-Bull Choppers or something like that?That was many,many years ago already.I think he built custom bikes?If this is the same guy,both came in on a trailer and he off loaded them right on the show grounds.I believe the car took a trophy but the bike didn’t.He wasn’t happy when I put both in the trailered class and I told him that class is for anything on a trailer.I put that class in because it is hard to show against something like this when it’s flawless and the next guy drives his.Now I know that guys will dump cars on the other side of town and drive them in,I can’t be everywhere,you guys must see this alot also.I remember he was ticked because he didn’t want to be in the trailer class.The honest guys that were in there competed good,but the bike didn’t get one.(I think that’s how it went,along time ago)If he would of been in a regular bike class he would of got one for sure,very sharp chopper and I even used it on some posters.It just wouldn’t of been fair to the guys that drove theirs.

[moparkid25]

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Wow, simply wow…. The only point I was trying to make was that judging was botched in a few classes. As I said before, other classes were spot on, but 2 in particular were seriously flawed.

I’ve been a judge at enough shows to see when things go wrong, and I was simply calling it out. And I brought it up as constructive critisism.

What I find funny and a bit disturbing is that has become an issue of “kill the messenger”. Yes, I won in my class last year, and brought up issues with the show. And this year, I brought up another issue…and now people are all bent out of shape.

Each time I brought up issues as constructive critisism. Tony and I talked on the phone last Monday and we shared our point of views. I thought everything was hashed over then…apparently not.

Let me be perfecty clear, Im a designer…formally trained as an automotive designer…my career is based on constructive critcism,I have to give and take it daily. So if I see something off or wrong, Ill bring it up.

Now you know how I feel somedays, buddy :whistle:

I wouldn’t worry to much about it, some people are just trying to make you look like the bad guy. They haven’t seen negative RTS’s until they read these – http://www.wiscollectorcar.com/component/content/article/88888910-car-shows-2009/1281-Reedsburg.html and http://www.wiscollectorcar.com/component/content/article/88888910-car-shows-2009/1269-Albany-Car-Show-2009.html

I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it, Nick. Some people just can’t handle any critiscm.

[Anonymous]

MAN OH MAN….What a lot of pent up emotion there seems to be about all this.
When I got back from Fox Lake and opened a review of the show on this site two weeks ago, I had nothing but positive things to say about the show…and I stand by them. Somebody complained about a couple of judging issues and all hell broke loose.
Tony P. and staff….I’ll say it again, your show was the most enjoyable show I’ve been to all year. Maybe you should cap the show. Most of my friends don’t care about the cars you can find on any new or used car lot anyway.
Anyway, I don’t want to continue adding fuel to the fire, I just wanted to say to Tony and the Fox Lake Staff and Crew that I appreciate all the work and effort that went into that show. Fox Lake will be on my agenda for years to come.
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Thank You gh,Marshall and fullthrottle.We are honored to have ya!!!Keep supporting those local shows with your beautiful rides,you are appreciated more than words can say! Tony

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Tony,

Thanks to you and your entire crew of volunteers from the Fox Lake Fire Department! I know you and your entire group is busy all year long getting ready for the annual show.

There will always be a few hiccups along the way with each and every show. What I appreciate the most is that you stop and fix them, change them, or correct them as needed. As a participant, I couldn’t ask for anything more.

I was attending this show even before I had a car to show, and I will continue to support this show!

Marshall

[Eclipse_Tuner]

I agree with Marshall. Ive always said its a nice show with a huge assortment of vehicles. All I was doing was calling out the issues so that they can be addressed, simple as that.

[Xman]

Ok, were all aware of Fox Lake now, can we give it a rest…

[Anonymous]

Hey I agree xman,I appreciate all the feedback from everyone.I can’t very well get any wax on my 54 if iam tied to this computer!My sons and I are also building a 52 Chevy pickup.Now it’s time to enjoy a little family time myself,wish you all well and your ALL a good bunch of guys!

Tony

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