Class Organization – Class A Shows [edit]

[Garibaldi]

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1900 – 1939 Stock
1940 – 1949 Stock
1950 – 1954 Stock
1955 – 1959 Stock
1960 – 1964 Stock
1965 – 1969 Stock
1970 – 1974 Stock
1975 – 1979 Stock
1980 – 1984 Stock
1985 – 1989 Stock
Corvette
Mustang
1900 – 1939 Modified
1940 – 1949 Modified
1950 – 1954 Modified
1955 – 1959 Modified
1960 – 1964 Modified
1965 – 1969 Modified
1970 – 1974 Modified
1975 – 1979 Modified
1980 – 1984 Modified
1985 – 1989 Modified
Special Interest
Hot Rod/Street Machine
Modern Muscle
Stock Trucks
Modified Trucks
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Street Rods 1900-1932
Street Rods 1933-1937
Street Rods 1938-1948

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[Xman]

Garibaldi wrote:

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I’m thinking Street Rods need a class: 1900-1932, 1933-1937, 1938-1948 always seems fair to me.

[Amigo2k]

Garibaldi wrote:

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Class A: Show with >300 vehicles

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[Garibaldi]

Xman wrote:

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Garibaldi wrote:

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I’m thinking Street Rods need a class: 1900-1932, 1933-1937, 1938-1948 always seems fair to me.

Sorry I forgot to update the Current Text. It is now up-to-date. For the Street Rods classes, should this apply to only Class A shows since they are large and could support it?

[jonmandude]

To bring up another thread and use this as example

You have classes for Mustangs and Corvettes and a modern muscle class yet no classes for imports? I like your classes for the most part. They break up each class well to keep sizes small and almost ensure everyone will leave with a trophy, but you are completely leaving out a part of the hobby. To me Corvettes and Vipers belong in a “Special Interest” class to compete with each other, they are both, after all, the very definition of a “Special Interest” vehicle. Mustangs can fit easily with any other muscle car.

I like the 4 to 5 year break up.

[GTO Man]

1900 – 1939 Stock
1940 – 1949 Stock
1950 – 1954 Stock
1955 – 1959 Stock
1960 – 1964 Stock
1965 – 1969 Stock
1970 – 1972 Stock
1973 – 1989 Stock
1990 – present Stock
Corvette 1953 – 1972
Corvette 1973 – 1989
Corvette 1990 – present
Mustang 1964 – 1973
Mustang 1974 – 1989
Mustang 1990 – present
1900 – 1939 Modified
1940 – 1959 Modified
1960 – 1979 Modified
1980 – present Modified
Special Interest
Hot Rod/Street Machine
Modern Muscle
Stock Trucks 1900 – 1949
Stock Trucks 1950 – 1979
Stock Trucks 1980 – Present
Modified Trucks
Import Stock
Import Modified
Tuner

[moparkid25]

jonmandude wrote:

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To bring up another thread and use this as example

You have classes for Mustangs and Corvettes and a modern muscle class yet no classes for imports? I like your classes for the most part. They break up each class well to keep sizes small and almost ensure everyone will leave with a trophy, but you are completely leaving out a part of the hobby. To me Corvettes and Vipers belong in a “Special Interest” class to compete with each other, they are both, after all, the very definition of a “Special Interest” vehicle. Mustangs can fit easily with any other muscle car.

I like the 4 to 5 year break up.

I disagree. Vipers, Vettes, Cobra’s – they are not special interest. A class should be added that is an exotic’s class, a class for Vipers, Lambo’s, Ferrari’s, Porsche, Lotus, etc. High end sports cars should have a class to seperate them from vehicles that are special interest. IMO, a special interest vehicle would be a General Lee Dodge Charger, a Starsky and Hutch Torino, KITT Trans Am, hand built vehicles, Hearses…stuff that you don’t see everyday.

Mustangs should have there own class, but stock and modified seperate. Same for Camaro’s, Corvette’s (I don’t consider a vette special interest unless its a new zr1). Break up the classes by year, a 68 fastback can’t compete against a 2005 GT. You could go either way with the modified class, since its not stock no matter how old it is.

[jonmandude]

moparkid25 wrote:

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I disagree. Vipers, Vettes, Cobra’s – they are not special interest. A class should be added that is an exotic’s class, a class for Vipers, Lambo’s, Ferrari’s, Porsche, Lotus, etc. High end sports cars should have a class to seperate them from vehicles that are special interest. IMO, a special interest vehicle would be a General Lee Dodge Charger, a Starsky and Hutch Torino, KITT Trans Am, hand built vehicles, Hearses…stuff that you don’t see everyday.

Mustangs should have there own class, but stock and modified seperate. Same for Camaro’s, Corvette’s (I don’t consider a vette special interest unless its a new zr1). Break up the classes by year, a 68 fastback can’t compete against a 2005 GT. You could go either way with the modified class, since its not stock no matter how old it is.

Ok I see your point. I view these cars as special interest because they are cars that have a single purpose. They are two seat sports cars, They are not meant as daily drivers or as commuter cars, simply go fast vehicles. That being said I see your point that “Special Interest” would be a “movie car” or “hand-built” or “kit” car. That definition works for me.

I do not see where a ZR1 should be classified as other than a Corvette. If so than special edition anything (Boss Mustangs, Mach1’s, SS Chevies, R/T Mopars) are all “Special Interest” as well.
A Vette is a Vette. It may have increased performance, but it is still a Vette.

For the record this may be the best subject for discussion ever opened on a car forum. This is great discussion.

[Xman]

Ok you have really peaked my interest. With the “Kit” Where do you draw the line? I know of one “Kit” that is always in the Street Rod :huh: class at all the local shows lets say 1900-1937. Should that be in special interest? or what about the KIt Cobra’s special interest again? Now should either of them be allowed at the all Ford shows there not even Fords? :dry:

[Anonymous]

Xman wrote:

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Ok you have really peaked my interest. With the “Kit” Where do you draw the line? I know of one “Kit” that is always in the Street Rod :huh: class at all the local shows lets say 1900-1937. Should that be in special interest? or what about the KIt Cobra’s special interest again? Now should either of them be allowed at the all Ford shows there not even Fords? :dry:

My brother has a FFR Cobra and I would think he would prefer to be in Special Interest.

Any replica/kit should be special interest in my opinion.

[moparkid25]

jonmandude wrote:

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moparkid25 wrote:

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I disagree. Vipers, Vettes, Cobra’s – they are not special interest. A class should be added that is an exotic’s class, a class for Vipers, Lambo’s, Ferrari’s, Porsche, Lotus, etc. High end sports cars should have a class to seperate them from vehicles that are special interest. IMO, a special interest vehicle would be a General Lee Dodge Charger, a Starsky and Hutch Torino, KITT Trans Am, hand built vehicles, Hearses…stuff that you don’t see everyday.

Mustangs should have there own class, but stock and modified seperate. Same for Camaro’s, Corvette’s (I don’t consider a vette special interest unless its a new zr1). Break up the classes by year, a 68 fastback can’t compete against a 2005 GT. You could go either way with the modified class, since its not stock no matter how old it is.

Ok I see your point. I view these cars as special interest because they are cars that have a single purpose. They are two seat sports cars, They are not meant as daily drivers or as commuter cars, simply go fast vehicles. That being said I see your point that “Special Interest” would be a “movie car” or “hand-built” or “kit” car. That definition works for me.

I do not see where a ZR1 should be classified as other than a Corvette. If so than special edition anything (Boss Mustangs, Mach1’s, SS Chevies, R/T Mopars) are all “Special Interest” as well.
A Vette is a Vette. It may have increased performance, but it is still a Vette.

For the record this may be the best subject for discussion ever opened on a car forum. This is great discussion.

Fair enough. A Corvette is a Corvette, but as I stated before, a 67 427 4speed convertible can’t compete against an 09 ZR1. This is why the vette classes should be broken down by series (C1, C2, C3, and so on). Let modified vettes, mustangs, camaro’s, etc go in modified class for the year group they fit. I noticed at one show all camaro’s were together, both stock and modified. This should be segregated.

[Garibaldi]

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For the record this may be the best subject for discussion ever opened on a car forum. This is great discussion.

Glad to hear it! That is the goal of this project – to have interesting discussion and a standard that everyone contributes to.

I agree that Special Interest means things other than Corvette, Mustang, etc, except maybe at Class C shows. Can a small show really support separate classes for Corvettes, Mustangs, Camaros, etc?

[jonmandude]

Great points by both. I disagree that a 67 427 can compete against a 09 ZR1, unless at the track. I think mid-60’s Corvettes are much more appealing than a new car. But again my opinion is just that, an opinion. It means nothing to anyone else but me. I like the classes regarding generations (c2, c3, c4 etc.) much better than year separations.

Small shows really can’t be expected to have too many classes.

[Garibaldi]

I guess its also a factor about how you weight each specific model as well because if you were to divide corvettes up into c2, c3, etc, would you have to do something similar with mustangs (e.g. mustang, mustang II, mach1s, new mustangs)? I’m trying to think of a class structure for these models which could be applied evenly to all of them (corvette, mustang, camaro, etc)

[Anonymous]

A 67 vette can not compete against one that just rolled off the show room floor and cant come closs at the track to the ZR1. Just break these cars up by years. Its not an all vette show or all mustang show so i do not feel the need to break them up by generations or models. A 59 Vette can compete with a 70 in my humble opinion. just like a 71 can competet with an 81 vette and so on. I dont think there is that much difference there. 2009 vettes and mustangs can go up against cars that are 10 years old. That seems fair. 10 years for these newer cars is nothing.

[Xman]

Looks at this point that we can dream of those classes all we want. But the people running the local shows are going to do what they want. It appears as a way to get by not spending a lot of money on awards… Oh well all we can do is hope some of them read this…. :dry:

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