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Class organization is one of the most difficult things to judge when putting on a show. On the one hand, if you incorrectly anticipate the turnout for a show, you can end up with too many classes and a car can win in that class simply because of a lack of competition. On the other end of the spectrum, too few classes or an unanticipated surge of cars from a particular genre can cause oversized classes where very nice cars get lost in the crowd and can’t compete. If you had to define a list of classes for your ideal show, what would it be and why pick each class? What is a good balance to you between number of classes and representation of car genres?
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We’re all pretty knowledgable about cars and car shows here…Perhaps we should create a judging standard that the local car shows could adopt. If you have ever seen the judging sheets from the Beaver Dam show, they are pretty solid..but even those could use some work.
Eclipse_Tuner wrote:
Quote:We’re all pretty knowledgable about cars and car shows here…Perhaps we should create a judging standard that the local car shows could adopt. If you have ever seen the judging sheets from the Beaver Dam show, they are pretty solid..but even those could use some work.That’s a good idea! We could host it on a special page on the site as the WCC Judging Standard or something to that effect. Everyone could contribute their ideas and we could develop a consensus. Then shows could be free to adopt it if they want.
Lets keep discussing the ideas in this topic and I’ll work on a way to draft it and allow for changes/input.
One suggestion/question I have with ddhemi’s detailed and excellent outline – would it ever be a problem to have too many classes? E.g. at a show with 100 cars and 20 awards – 1 in every 5 cars is walking away from the show with an award. Should this ratio be lower or how would that consistency be maintained?
Great idea, and I would like to see what car show organizers actually use it. But I also think getting unbiased judges is a key to making the participants happy. Without cars there will be no show. Some of these so called car event organizers have cut the throats of the car people one to many times already. Without mentioning names everyone knows who the bad ones are… :dry:
Xman wrote:
Quote:Great idea, and I would like to see what car show organizers actually use it. But I also think getting unbiased judges is a key to making the participants happy. Without cars there will be no show. Some of these so called car event organizers have cut the throats of the car people one to many times already. Without mentioning names everyone knows who the bad ones are… :dry:RIGHT ON! Wondering if its possible to ask for judges to come from outside the area, that know what they are looking at?? Every show organizer comes up with a group of judges? Possibly paid for their time????????? Judges playing the “oh i know this guy act” is a bit of a problem. I would find it an honor if a show that i am not attending would ask me to judge. Maybe even pay me $20-$50 bucks???? Just spit ballin. Also have the owners be present when judges are judging? Good or bad idk???
Garibaldi wrote:
Quote:Eclipse_Tuner wrote:Quote:We’re all pretty knowledgable about cars and car shows here…Perhaps we should create a judging standard that the local car shows could adopt. If you have ever seen the judging sheets from the Beaver Dam show, they are pretty solid..but even those could use some work.That’s a good idea! We could host it on a special page on the site as the WCC Judging Standard or something to that effect. Everyone could contribute their ideas and we could develop a consensus. Then shows could be free to adopt it if they want.
Lets keep discussing the ideas in this topic and I’ll work on a way to draft it and allow for changes/input.
One suggestion/question I have with ddhemi’s detailed and excellent outline – would it ever be a problem to have too many classes? E.g. at a show with 100 cars and 20 awards – 1 in every 5 cars is walking away from the show with an award. Should this ratio be lower or how would that consistency be maintained?
That is a good question. 100 cars at a show is border line being a small show…. I would keep the classes with 20 awards. More people walking away happy??? Ill have to ponder that one more.
Eclipse_Tuner wrote:
Quote:We’re all pretty knowledgable about cars and car shows here…Perhaps we should create a judging standard that the local car shows could adopt. If you have ever seen the judging sheets from the Beaver Dam show, they are pretty solid..but even those could use some work.I really like that idea of setting something like that up on here. All most like a constitution for car show class standards. Blanchardville is another one to look to also for judging sheets. And their class break down is ALMOST ideal for a show with 200-400 cars every year. I think we on here can fine tune it even more. This is becoming a great thing. I love how more focus is being put onto how these classes are being handled. Right now there is no method to the madness. Organizers can just jump on here and get a very good break down, making it so much easier…..
ddhemi wrote:
Quote:Quote:RIGHT ON! Wondering if its possible to ask for judges to come from outside the area, that know what they are looking at?? Every show organizer comes up with a group of judges? Possibly paid for their time????????? Judges playing the “oh i know this guy act” is a bit of a problem. I would find it an honor if a show that i am not attending would ask me to judge. Maybe even pay me $20-$50 bucks???? Just spit ballin. Also have the owners be present when judges are judging? Good or bad idk???The only problem asking others to judge your show is you never know what you’re going to get, and how qualified they are. I’ll never forget a few years ago at a show about 30 minutes away they asked for judges and got a bunch of teenage kids that had no idea what they were judging and the awards reflected it. I also don’t like paying someone, especially if you have a non-profit event and need the funds to go to a charity, or something like that.
I don’t like to be present when my car is judged, especially if the guy is a Ford or Mopar fan!
:unsure:I try to be optimistic while being judged in the sense that the judges do know what there looking at, but I’ve been wrong before. I don’t know that paying a judge is the answer either, especially when the show is donating the funds to a charity or other human interest. I would think it is fair to offer them free soft drinks and concessions for there time, a lot of people who would judge cars at a show IMO would donate there time as they enjoy the hobby. Or, you could give the judges a small plaque as a “Thank You” for helping out.
As far as being at the car while I’m being judged, I like to be in the vicinity but I won’t hover over the judges like some people do, or try to hear what they’re discussing. I mainly like to be there if they need me to open the doors, have questions, etc. I know when I have judged in the past, I don’t like to be bothered by the car owner. Had it happen at Blanchardville last year, guy had an old, filthy Chrysler and he wouldn’t leave me alone, just kept following me around and asking what I was marking down on the judging sheet…
moparkid25 wrote:
Quote:I mainly like to be there if they need me to open the doors, have questions, etc. I know when I have judged in the past, I don’t like to be bothered by the car owner. Had it happen at Blanchardville last year, guy had an old, filthy Chrysler and he wouldn’t leave me alone, just kept following me around and asking what I was marking down on the judging sheet…A couple years ago they had a judge at Pardeeville ?s car show. He would open the doors on cars and hop in look around, like WTF. He also got in to an argument with my friend that he had the wrong headlight rings on his 55 Crown Vic. He said he had owned many Vic’s and these were 56 ones on a 55. My friend told him where to get off, and thus he did not receive an award that he should have.
That judge has not been back there. Kudos to Pardeeville
A judge should never touch a car. If the owner is there ask them to open a door or hood if they want it judged. If its closed so be it…. :dry:
Xman wrote:
Quote:A judge should never touch a car.[/quote]
There is a disclaimer on the thing you sign at Pardeeville that states that Judges may open doors to check out door jams and sills and that your doors need to be unlocked (I know they even announced it over the PA system a couple of times). But nothing about bouncing up and down on the seats…..
The only reason they would do this is if there is tie. Then they look at door jams and go as far as to dock points if your wheel center caps don’t line up (like if the word FORD is on the cap).
Amigo2k wrote:
Quote:Xman wrote:Quote:A judge should never touch a car.There is a disclaimer on the thing you sign at Pardeeville that states that Judges may open doors to check out door jams and sills and that your doors need to be unlocked (I know they even announced it over the PA system a couple of times). But nothing about bouncing up and down on the seats…..
The only reason they would do this is if there is tie. Then they look at door jams and go as far as to dock points if your wheel center caps don’t line up (like if the word FORD is on the cap).[/quote]
My opinion, I still say it is wrong to touch a car…if they want the door jams judged leave the doors open!
DDhemi can tell you all about people opening the doors on your classic – For some apparent reason, we went to a car show in Lone Rock a few years back. While we were sitting there, some asshat comes up checking out his 70 Charger, and pops open the door right in front of us! I couldn’t believe the guy did what he did, and it took a minute to soak in. IMO, it takes a lot of brass to do something like this. Now maybe the guy just wasn’t all there either, but still no excuse.
DDhemi’s dad has a 41 Cadillac. Had the hood open at a show, some guy wanted a picture of the car, so he just slammed the hood down and took his photo. :angry:
To share one out of my playbook, During the awards a few years ago in Monroe some old lady leans up against my car. I said “Would you mind not leaning on my car that I spent my life savings on?” She looks at me, apologizes, and says “I was just waxing it for ya” and rubs the ass of her pants on the 1/4 panel :ohmy: The guy next to me came unglued on her before I had the chance (and no, it wasn’t ddhemi, but he was there) to rip her a new crevice.
Some people don’t have the respect for other peoples property, this includes car show judges.
This thread has sparked some great discussion and I hope we can continue it in the new forum section devoted to classes and judging standards:
http://www.wiscollectorcar.com/forum.html?func=showcat&catid=507
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