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Garibaldi wrote:
Quote:What do you think is an appropriate number of classes/awards to cars for a show? If you give too many awards, almost every car will get an award. What do you think is fair? I was thinking something like 1 in 10 or 1 in 5 if possibleGood subject,
I noticed that at Blanchardville there were two custom cars. They both received an award. I thought that was wrong. Not sure on the ratio though..
Good reason not to have the class on the award. So you can move awards around to where you need them. Depending on what shows up for each class.
Another reason for people to do a little planning. Give the show producers an idea of what types of vehicles will be attending. Pre-register. :blink:
1-5 seems like a good ratio to me.
For large shows it is a lot of trophys but also allows for moving them around if you keep the trophy all the same.
So if three cars only show for one class, you have one trophy, but if 40 cars show for one class you can add a trophy.
You could have 4th and 5th have no number on it so they could be generic trophys to hand out in over stuffed classes. Does that make sense to anyone else to do?
I’ve seen plenty of car shows not have the place you finish on them. Especially for small shows.
I agree that 1 trophy per every 5 cars is a good ratio for larger shows. But maybe a 1 per 3 would be a good ratio for smaller shows (say under 100 cars)
I don’t think you can really hurt by having too many trophies. It makes people feel appreciated. Giving out 5 trophies in a class can diminish the value of a trophy. But let’s face it, a trophy is a piece of plastic that has more appreciation than value. It makes someone feel appreciated for their hard work. I don’t think it is a bad idea to appreciate more people, rather than leave people out.
jonmandude wrote:
Quote:to appreciate more people, rather than leave people out.I actually think the opposite. I hate to bring this up and I won’t say names or cars that I saw looking a little mad but I think some people were butthurt at the All Ford show this past weekend.
71 FoMoCo’s showed, 21 trophies. I saw some very nice cars not get trophys and I could tell from the looks of the owners they thought they where snubbed.
It was participant voting. I think that had a lot to do with it.
lilwillie wrote:
Quote:71 FoMoCo’s showed, 21 trophies. I saw some very nice cars not get trophys and I could tell from the looks of the owners they thought they where snubbed.It was participant voting. I think that had a lot to do with it.
I wonder how many of those people will think twice about returning next year? Isn’t the idea to improve participation and not to damage feelings?
Another example of participant voting hurting a show.
Allowing as to how organizers and promoters don’t really know how many cars and what classes will be filled prior to a show, I would ask why extra trophies are not on hand, just in case there are some classes that get added on the day of the show, so that the show is inclusionary for all cars/trucks/motorcycles. I would think that trophies that are not handed out could be returned for partial credit, or used in the larger classes on the day of the show.
I understand that trophies cost money and that most shows need to have prearranged sponsors paying for trophies ahead of the show. The other point that I would make is that many shows are geared to maximize the amount of money raised for the charity, so typically, the number of trophies tend to be less so that the charity gets more at the end of the day.
Marshall
1 award (trophy/plaque) per 3 vehicles is fair. You get 10 cars in a class, 3 drive away with awards.
I like the “best of class” format with awards over the 1st, 2nd, 3rd place. This helps keep some mystery to the judging results in classes. And if your award just says Best of Class, they can be moved around for larger classes where 4 or 5 awards are given. Giving more than 5 awards per class is overkill.
Participant judging should be outlawed, its nothing more than a popularity contest. Cars that don’t deserve an award take hardware home over cars that do deserve recognition.
moparkid25 wrote:
Quote:1 award (trophy/plaque) per 3 vehicles is fair. You get 10 cars in a class, 3 drive away with awards.I like the “best of class” format with awards over the 1st, 2nd, 3rd place. This helps keep some mystery to the judging results in classes. And if your award just says Best of Class, they can be moved around for larger classes where 4 or 5 awards are given. Giving more than 5 awards per class is overkill.
Participant judging should be outlawed, its nothing more than a popularity contest. Cars that don’t deserve an award take hardware home over cars that do deserve recognition.
This may be your best statement ever. Nice work
It seems the consensus is 1 trophy per 3 cars to 1 trophy per 5 cars. Does that sound like a good range for shows in order to give flexibility with the number of trophies on hand and variability of number of cars showing up? If so, I’ll start a motion to add it to the standard.
I agree with moparkid, “best of class” is all around better because of the flexibility
Yes best of class seems to be the best title to put on a trophy. It leaves room to move trophies around as needed.
I would say the ratio we are talking is a good GOAL. It is always hard to guesstimate how many will show. Sometimes there is just too many shows on any given day to really know what to expect. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don’t. You can plan on 100 and get 30 or get 300. You never really know. All that can be expected is that show hosts try. It is all appreciated.
Sounds good to me – so we’ll shoot for 1 in 3 to 1 in 5 but obviously there will be variability. In creating the classes we’ll try and make sure that Classes A, B, and C each have about that ratio
Let’s look at the opposite side of car show planning –
Say you plan for 200 cars, but only 60 show up. You have classes that don’t have any entries, and you have only 3 cars in any given class. You have extra awards to use in other classes. I think all classes should get 3 awards. If there is two vehicles in the class, give both an award. But then where do you draw the line?
Another question I raised to myself is what if you have two vehicles in a class, and one is nice and the other not so much?
EXAMPLE: During the Verona show there were two trucks in a class. One was a very nice daily driver I see at many shows and is so clean it makes cirlcetracks’ chevelle looklike a farm truck (ok, I’m overexagerating, but you get the picture). The other was an incomplete, rusted out, lifted up redneck beater that was unsafe to drive anywhere. When awards were called, the clean truck recieved the only award in the class, and the rustbucket went home alone.Is this fair? Should the not-so-nice vehicle recieve an award anyway? I agreed with the decision made by the SRC to give one award in that class because the vehicle in question IMO was a POS. I understand that one man’s trash is another mans treasure, but in this scenario I felt the decision was fair, especially when you have other classes that are larger.
Maybe a certain point level should be achieved to even receive an award. Say out of 100 points a “farm truck” scores only 30 points? And there is only two or three trucks in that class. Does it seem fair that that award is tied to a carny van???? Hmmmmmmm? I am starting to think yes on that.
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