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OMG I just saw on the news that old people that have never been union workers are now protesting what this state coming to? Actually uniting people…or is it only people with a vision to actually see what Walker is doing?
GTO Man wrote:
Quote:That is a huge number of people for any protest. There were also protestors in other cities throughout Wisconsin.The Bay View Massacre (sometimes also referred to as the Bay View Tragedy) was the culmination of events that began on Saturday May 1, 1886 when 7,000 building-trades workers joined with 5,000 Polish laborers who had organized at St. Stanislaus Catholic Church in Milwaukee, Wisconsin to strike against their employers, demanding an eight-hour work day.
GTO Man wrote:
Quote:And last but certainly not least, our dim-witted dictator, Scott ‘Dutch’ WalkerThat JackA$$ first…I see he is hiding in Wausau today what a weasel…
It is amazing that all the Democrat recall efforts are from outside Wisconsin..Hmmmm
I was at the Capitol today, and I did not see any Walker supporters. Must be hiding behind
their keyboards… :laugh:GTO Man wrote:
Quote:The following Senators will be recalled.Senator Alberta Darling
8th Senate District
Madison Office
Room 317 East
State Capitol
P.O. Box 7882
Madison, WI 53707-7882Senator Sheila Harsdorf
10th Senate District
Madison Office
Room 18 South
State Capitol
P.O. Box 7882
Madison, WI 53707-7882Senator Luther Olsen
14th Senate District
Madison Office
Room 123 South
State Capitol
P.O. Box 7882
Madison, WI 53707-7882Senator Randy Hopper
18th Senate District
Madison Office
Room 310 South
State Capitol
P.O. Box 7882
Madison, WI 53707-7882Senator Glenn Grothman (a disgusting slob)
20th Senate District
Madison Office
Room 10 South
State Capitol
P.O. Box 7882
Madison, WI 53707-7882Senator Mary Lazich
28th Senate District
Madison Office
Room 8 South
State Capitol
P.O. Box 7882
Madison, WI 53707-7882Senator Dan Kapanke
32nd Senate District
Madison Office
Room 316 South
State Capitol
P.O. Box 7882
Madison, WI 53707-7882Thanks GTO Man, Go 14…..
Well with the price of gas still climbing and Walkers budget cuts. I really don’t think I will be attending many shows this year. I feel the local shows are going to be hurting do to the economy, That $10 you pay every Saturday to attend a show plus the cost of fuel to get there and home. Will be going into your daily drivers gas tank to get to work. If you have a job. Lets hope I’m wrong..
GTO Man wrote:
Quote:I heard about something that happened the other day. Walker and his cabinet went to lunch. In the first restaurant they went into the patrons started booing and they were asked to leave. In the second one the owners wouldn’t serve them and asked them to leave. As far as I am concerned Walker, his cabinet, the State Assembly Republicans and the Senate Republicans should be shunned.Amen….
mick289 wrote:
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Original MessageSubject: Wall Street Journal ArticleOh, To Be a Teacher in Wisconsin
How can fringe benefits cost nearly as much as a worker’s salary? Answer: collective bargaining..Article Comments (629) more in Opinion The showdown in Wisconsin over fringe benefits for public employees boils down to one number: 74.2. That’s how many cents the public pays Milwaukee public-school teachers and other employees for retirement and health benefits for every dollar they receive in salary. The corresponding rate for employees of private firms is 24.3 cents.
Gov. Scott Walker’s proposal would bring public-employee benefits closer in line with those of workers in the private sector. And to prevent benefits from reaching sky-high levels in the future, he wants to restrict collective-bargaining rights.
The average Milwaukee public-school teacher salary is $56,500, but with benefits the total package is $100,005, according to the manager of financial planning for Milwaukee public schools. When I showed these figures to a friend, she asked me a simple question: “How can fringe benefits be nearly as much as salary?” The answers can be found by unpacking the numbers in the district’s budget for this fiscal year:
•Social Security and Medicare. The employer cost is 7.65% of wages, the same as in the private sector.
.•State Pension. Teachers belong to the Wisconsin state pension plan. That plan requires a 6.8% employer contribution and 6.2% from the employee. However, according to the collective-bargaining agreement in place since 1996, the district pays the employees’ share as well, for a total of 13%.
•Teachers’ Supplemental Pension. In addition to the state pension, Milwaukee public-school teachers receive an additional pension under a 1982 collective-bargaining agreement. The district contributes an additional 4.2% of teacher salaries to cover this second pension. Teachers contribute nothing.
•Classified Pension. Most other school employees belong to the city’s pension system instead of the state plan. The city plan is less expensive but here, too, according to the collective-bargaining agreement, the district pays the employees’ 5.5% share.
Overall, for teachers and other employees, the district’s contributions for pensions and Social Security total 22.6 cents for each dollar of salary. The corresponding figure for private industry is 13.4 cents. The divergence is greater yet for health insurance:
•Health care for current employees. Under the current collective- bargaining agreements, the school district pays the entire premium for medical and vision benefits, and over half the cost of dental coverage. These plans are extremely expensive.
This is partly because of Wisconsin’s unique arrangement under which the teachers union is the sponsor of the group health-insurance plans. Not surprisingly, benefits are generous. The district’s contributions for health insurance of active employees total 38.8% of wages. For private-sector workers nationwide, the average is 10.7%..•Health insurance for retirees. This benefit is rarely offered any more in private companies, and it can be quite costly. This is especially the case for teachers in many states, because the eligibility rules of their pension plans often induce them to retire in their 50s, and Medicare does not kick in until age 65. Milwaukee’s plan covers the entire premium in effect at retirement, and retirees cover only the growth in premiums after they retire.
As is commonly the case, the school district’s retiree health plan has not been prefunded. It has been pay-as-you-go. This has been a disaster waiting to happen, as retirees grow in number and live longer, and active employment shrinks in districts such as Milwaukee.
For fiscal year 2011, retiree enrollment in the district health plan is 36.4% of the total. In addition to the costs of these retirees’ benefits, Milwaukee is, to its credit, belatedly starting to prefund the benefits of future school retirees. In all, retiree health-insurance contributions are estimated at 12.1% of salaries (of which 1.5% is prefunded).
Overall, the school district’s contributions to health insurance for employees and retirees total about 50.9 cents on top of every dollar paid in wages. Together with pension and Social Security contributions, plus a few small items, one can see how the total cost of fringe benefits reaches 74.2%.
What these numbers ultimately prove is the excessive power of collective bargaining. The teachers’ main pension plan is set by the state legislature, but under the pressure of local bargaining, the employees’ contribution is often pushed onto the taxpayers. In addition, collective bargaining led the Milwaukee public school district to add a supplemental pension plan—again with no employee contribution. Finally, the employees’ contribution (or lack thereof) to the cost of health insurance is also collectively bargained.
As the costs of pensions and insurance escalate, the governor’s proposal to restrict collective bargaining to salaries—not benefits—seems entirely reasonable.Wow, right from the RepubliCAN’T handbook…If Walker give’s us the pay increases we have given up the last ten years that would also bring us closer to the private sector wages. Then we can afford to pay for the benefits. we took those pay cuts so we could save our benefits. Any state employees remember the last time you got a cost of living increase? Me neither!
At least you will be able to retire….
I sure hope gas is not going to be $5 a gal this summer, or we are not going to many shows. That will hurt all events.
I sure hope they can flush Walker and his republiCAN’T buddies right down the drain..That should clean up the place…
GTO Man wrote:
Quote:moparkid25 wrote:Quote:However, the quality of the female species at that joint is usually top shelf
That will make up for allot of negatives.
But only the rich republicans can afford the high maintenance on them..
Read what Walker did in Milwaukee County in 09:
http://www.wisn.com/news/21946612/detail.htmlPaul-Underwood wrote:
Quote:I think they should do whatever it takes to restore some reason to this fight. This is way bigger than about wages and benefits. Read your history, people.I’d hate to think it came to a boycott of various supporters, because that isn’t going to do any good for our state’s economy. But in the big picture, it may be needed to reach Gov. Walker.
This bs of forcing political agendas is the same crap that DOT tried in pushing ex-military vehicles off the road. My truck was included in their sweep. It took me 3 years, defeating them in Appeals Court, and ultimately the passage of a new law, but my truck is now protected. Perhaps this issue will require similar efforts.
Absolutely, WHATEVER it takes. That’s my opinion.
I’m with Paul, WHATEVER it takes…
