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ddhemi wrote:
Quote:I and others on here go to as many as 20 shows a year. I dont see anyone slamming you for your opinions on a subject that we are far more involved with then yourself. Im on here to help make shows THAT I GO TO better for everyone. And like to throw some humor ontop because its just my style, and ill be damned if ill hesitate in giving my opinion or being who i am just because someone is on their period.I am not involved much for two reason
1) I have a job that involves much of my time and effort.
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2) I grew tired of the people like you at shows that have no respect for others. Your views and opinions do not make shows better for others, they make the experience less enjoyable. I could show you emails and PM’s that I have received because of your rants on here recently supporting my views and questioning yours. But since those persons felt a desire to comment in private, they deserve the respect from me to remain private.
You want to make the shows more enjoyable for others? Then save your “humor” and learn some respect
moparkid25 wrote:
Quote:You can’t compare a stock, 70s emission sports car to a modded import. That’s apples to oranges.Exactly why different classes need to be.
D, the question was a simple one, should imports have their own class. You chose to throw in an insult and I called you on it. The administrators did not ask for your opinion on what you think of imports.
Yes, I have made my poorly worded comments about Corvettes on this forum. I was called on them, maybe not by you, but I was called none the less. I didn’t attack back with more insults as you are. I apologized and learned from it. I never came back with childish quips like your “coming out of the closet” gem. Honestly, viewpoints and statements like yours add no value to the discussion. My past comments did not either. I am not better than you nor do I feel a need to insult your tastes. You made a foolish statement, own it.
jonmandude wrote:
Quote:ddhemi wrote:Quote:Thats 200 STOCK hp running on a brand new form of tech from the 70s due to emission standards. Something that occured when “tuning” didnt even exist. I wouldnt compare a stock vehicel to a fully build one at all. Remember there are low 8 second american v-8 rwd cars that are driven daily in this town also and yet to see a tuner at a show with +600hp. Unless you mean the Turbo Pontiac Gto i saw. And back in the mid 60s Chrysler was making 10 second street cars right from the factory. Something even to this day, has never been done. Im not impressed with the hp ratings coming out of stock Japanese cars at all. Or their track times. And that includes the Dautson Skyline.
I guess i stand corrected when i say this though. The fastest fwd car in the world would be considered a tuner. The Cobalt. Ok, ill say american tuners are fast in the stock class.I guess I am really amazed at your close-minded view towards imports. Won’t respect the car that held the record at Nurgburgring and forced Porsche to invent the GT-2? I hope some night you come across the Evolution in town that is pushing 800 horse and he walks all over you. or some kid in a POS Honda 3 door hatch does the same.
Bleeding true blue American is one thing (I respect that) but being a disrepectful ass is another. D, I have known you for a few years now and never had anything but respect for you and the vehicles you have owned. You lost a little of that respect with your view and statements towards imports.
Not everybody shares your tastes, that is obvious to me every time people praise the Corvette. I have made my foolish statements about this vehicle and offended people. I have learned to keep my opinion to myself and when asked just say “I am not a fan” and leave it at that.
ddhemi wrote:
Quote:Thats 200 STOCK hp running on a brand new form of tech from the 70s due to emission standards. Something that occured when “tuning” didnt even exist. I wouldnt compare a stock vehicel to a fully build one at all. Remember there are low 8 second american v-8 rwd cars that are driven daily in this town also and yet to see a tuner at a show with +600hp. Unless you mean the Turbo Pontiac Gto i saw. And back in the mid 60s Chrysler was making 10 second street cars right from the factory. Something even to this day, has never been done. Im not impressed with the hp ratings coming out of stock Japanese cars at all. Or their track times. And that includes the Dautson Skyline.
I guess i stand corrected when i say this though. The fastest fwd car in the world would be considered a tuner. The Cobalt. Ok, ill say american tuners are fast in the stock class.I guess I am really amazed at your close-minded view towards imports. Won’t respect the car that held the record at Nurgburgring and forced Porsche to invent the GT-2? I hope some night you come across the Evolution in town that is pushing 800 horse and he walks all over you. or some kid in a POS Honda 3 door hatch does the same.
Bleeding true blue American is one thing (I respect that) but being a disrepectful ass is another.
I think it would depend on the draw of the show. A show with a large muscle car or modern muscle draw could probably only need one class for street rods. But a show like back to the fifties would need some separation.
Great points by both. I disagree that a 67 427 can compete against a 09 ZR1, unless at the track. I think mid-60’s Corvettes are much more appealing than a new car. But again my opinion is just that, an opinion. It means nothing to anyone else but me. I like the classes regarding generations (c2, c3, c4 etc.) much better than year separations.
Small shows really can’t be expected to have too many classes.
ddhemi wrote:
Quote:yes, the slow cars need to go somewheres….. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
There are some 600+ horsepower tuners in this town. Remember a mid-70’s Corvette didn’t even have 200.
Yes best of class seems to be the best title to put on a trophy. It leaves room to move trophies around as needed.
I would say the ratio we are talking is a good GOAL. It is always hard to guesstimate how many will show. Sometimes there is just too many shows on any given day to really know what to expect. Sometimes you win, sometimes you don’t. You can plan on 100 and get 30 or get 300. You never really know. All that can be expected is that show hosts try. It is all appreciated.
moparkid25 wrote:
Quote:1 award (trophy/plaque) per 3 vehicles is fair. You get 10 cars in a class, 3 drive away with awards.I like the “best of class” format with awards over the 1st, 2nd, 3rd place. This helps keep some mystery to the judging results in classes. And if your award just says Best of Class, they can be moved around for larger classes where 4 or 5 awards are given. Giving more than 5 awards per class is overkill.
Participant judging should be outlawed, its nothing more than a popularity contest. Cars that don’t deserve an award take hardware home over cars that do deserve recognition.
This may be your best statement ever. Nice work
moparkid25 wrote:
Quote:I disagree. Vipers, Vettes, Cobra’s – they are not special interest. A class should be added that is an exotic’s class, a class for Vipers, Lambo’s, Ferrari’s, Porsche, Lotus, etc. High end sports cars should have a class to seperate them from vehicles that are special interest. IMO, a special interest vehicle would be a General Lee Dodge Charger, a Starsky and Hutch Torino, KITT Trans Am, hand built vehicles, Hearses…stuff that you don’t see everyday.Mustangs should have there own class, but stock and modified seperate. Same for Camaro’s, Corvette’s (I don’t consider a vette special interest unless its a new zr1). Break up the classes by year, a 68 fastback can’t compete against a 2005 GT. You could go either way with the modified class, since its not stock no matter how old it is.
Ok I see your point. I view these cars as special interest because they are cars that have a single purpose. They are two seat sports cars, They are not meant as daily drivers or as commuter cars, simply go fast vehicles. That being said I see your point that “Special Interest” would be a “movie car” or “hand-built” or “kit” car. That definition works for me.
I do not see where a ZR1 should be classified as other than a Corvette. If so than special edition anything (Boss Mustangs, Mach1’s, SS Chevies, R/T Mopars) are all “Special Interest” as well.
A Vette is a Vette. It may have increased performance, but it is still a Vette.For the record this may be the best subject for discussion ever opened on a car forum. This is great discussion.
To bring up another thread and use this as example
You have classes for Mustangs and Corvettes and a modern muscle class yet no classes for imports? I like your classes for the most part. They break up each class well to keep sizes small and almost ensure everyone will leave with a trophy, but you are completely leaving out a part of the hobby. To me Corvettes and Vipers belong in a “Special Interest” class to compete with each other, they are both, after all, the very definition of a “Special Interest” vehicle. Mustangs can fit easily with any other muscle car.
I like the 4 to 5 year break up.
