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maddog wrote:

Well I was thinking of heading to the Edgerton show but after reading this I may pass on it. What about the Reedsburg show; how is that one for a car show?

I went to that show a few years ago, and quit going when a brand new car wins best of show.

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I have to work Saturday morning, so no shows for me except going to the DQ cruise night in Monroe Saturday.

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I was thinking I need to go check this show out next year. Looks like a ton of cars!!

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Xman wrote:

All these classes hmmmmm, do we really need more classes? Just so someone can get a trophy because they feel cheated out. Many car shows post their classes a year in advance. If you you don’t see anything that suits you or your vehicle don’t go to that show. Pretty soon there will be 150 classes so everyone at the show can get a trophy. Maybe we should just accept how the promoters run their show and if you don’t like it, stay home… It amazes me how many people complain about the Dells show and their judging. (including me) However we all still attend it every year, just to sit on the hot blacktop with no shade.

:laugh: I’m not playing that game anymore!

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jonmandude wrote:

This is exactly the can of worms I think can be avoided. Leave horsepower, engine sizes, and trim packages out of classifications. Simply do year classes in stock and modified. Do we really need “muscle car” classes? We have Mustang, Camaro and Corvette classes already at most shows. What does that leave? Simple

1950-1959 Stock & Modified
1960-1966 Stock & Modified
1967-1969 Stock & Modified
1970-1974 Stock & Modified
1975-1990 Stock & Modified
1990-2005 Stock & Modified
2005-Present Stock & Modified
Classify Stock as less than 3 “minor” modifications.
“Minor modifications” can include rims & tires, paint, stereo, air cleaner, exhaust.
Engine swaps, power adders, body changes are in modified classes automatically

I think that breaks up classes fairly evenly for almost every show I have been to.

I am of the belief that “muscle car” classes were created by someone in a non “muscle car” because the weren’t getting a trophy against a big block car and they didn’t want to put the effort into making their car stand out. This entitlement that everyone feels they deserve a trophy is out of hand.

For a show that has 150-200 cars, this classification would be ok. However, when you start to get 400-500 cars+ at a show more classes will be needed. Thats when you have the Patina, street rods, two seat, and factory race car classes also to break up classes. Yes, the more classes mean the longer the awards presentation. I think large shows that have cars trailered in should keep the trailered cars in a seperate class also. I personally think if its not driven to and from the show, it shouldn’t be judged. Cars were built to be driven.

As far as awards go, that’s a whole other topic. Yes, its nice when you win one, as it shows the judging team or other participants who turned in ballots felt your car was deserving. There is a lot of competition at shows, and at times it is nice to see some people still have a competitive spirit. Others are more laid back and are easy going. My trophies are the vehicles I own/have owned. Its an award that shows years of hard work and self discipline to get something you can enjoy. I’ve had cars nicer than the one I’m currently driving, but I also have more fun with the car I have now than some others I’ve had. There’s also the haters out there…. The ones who years ago got pissy when some scrawny Scandanavian kid started pulling into shows with a Charger and made snide comments about how his Daddy must’ve bought him that car. Well, that kid busted his ass to have that car, and the only name on the title was mine. Stuff like that makes me want to be competitive at shows, and savor that $12 piece of plastic. Nowdays, I’m more interested in just enjoying the show, seeing fellow enthusiasts and what new changes they’ve made with there cars, and getting out and driving mine.

At the end of the day, 95% of the cars that beat me standing still couldn’t beat me in the 1/4 mile

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Let me ask you this then Zac. If we are using hp rating as a factor, are you going to make people bring in dyno sheets to prove it?

Dyno sheets? No, you would go off factory HP ratings. But then you need to have judges and show staff that are well versed in the 64-72 era Muscle Cars.

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And the R/T package on the mighty Mopars we both love included the 340. The only engines left out of the R/T option list were 6 cylinders and 2bbl.

1. I never drove a 340 that wasn’t fast, unless it was post ’72 and wasn’t modified. 2. B-Body R/Ts were 440s or 426s, where E-Body R/T Challengers had either 383s or 440s, or Hemi’s. Here’s an excerpt from Wiki (only because its quick to get to, and I don’t want to scan pages from my Chrysler bible :whistle: ) regarding R/T models:

The performance model was the R/T (Road/Track), with a 383 CID Magnum V8, rated at 335 bhp (249.8 kW); 300 bhp (223.7 kW) for 1971, due to a drop in compression. The standard transmission was a 3-speed manual. Optional R/T engines were the 375 bhp (279.6 kW) 440 cu in (7.2 L) Magnum, the 390 bhp (290.8 kW) 440 CID Six-Pack and the 425 bhp (316.9 kW) 426 cu in (7.0 L) Hemi. The R/T was available in either the hardtop or convertible. For 1970 only, base hardtop and R/T hardtop models could be ordered with the more luxurious SE specification, which included leather seats, a vinyl roof, a smaller ‘formal’ rear window, and an overhead interior console that contained three warning lights (door ajar, low fuel, and seatbelts).[10] The Challenger R/T came with a Rallye instrument cluster that included a 150 mph (240 km/h) speedometer, an 8,000 rpm tachometer,[11] 1972–1974 tachometer went to 7,000 rpm and an oil pressure gauge. In 1973, the R/T badging was dropped and these models were called “Rallye”, although they were never badged as such. The shaker hood scoop was not available after 1971.

Obviously the 340 6-pak engines in the Challenger T/As and AAR Cuda’s were the holy grail of LA series engines, but neither was an R/T model

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Amigo2k wrote:

Buick GS Convertible, 1972 – $17999 (Cottage Grove, WI)

http://madison.craigslist.org/cto/3131343243.html

1992 called… They want the razorback wheels back for some Vaurnet t-shirt wearing playboy’s Jeep Comanche :whistle:

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78cruisingwagon wrote:

The Prius does not emit much smog,but does emit excessive amounts of smug.

The Prius owners don’t hold a candle to the electric car people. They like to brag about how they don’t buy any fuel while all of that coal is burned to create the electricity for them to drive 40 miles at a time :whistle:

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jonmandude wrote:

Zac, I would have to disagree with you somewhat. I view a “muscle car” is a V8, non-2bbl powered car from an era.

That then brings up the next question, do you consider classifying a car as a muscle by the trim package? Obviously the R/T package Dodge’s in a B-Body started out with a 375hp 440, and went North with horsepower from there. Chevy had the SS model, and A & F bodies had a 350hp 396 c.i. engine. You also had the 427/454 options too. Ford had 390s, 427,8, & 9s, and 460.

Each show could determine what is classified as a muscle car, whether its engine hp, or trim package which will generally include a high horsepower engine. I would consider a big block car a muscle car, but not the same body style with an economical engine. Example – A 1970 Chevelle SS454 LS6 would be in a muscle car class (provided its stock appearing), but if the next guy rolled in driving a 1970 Chevy Malibu with a 350 2bbl, he would go in a stock class. The difference again relates to a trim package the car is built with.

And yes, pony cars are pony cars. Small block pony cars are not muscle cars

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Muscle car classes should be for vehicles with 350hp or more stock, as it thats how it rolled off the assembly line. Yesterday at Blanchardville, someone had a 351 Mustang parked in the muscle car class… I believe it should’ve been in the Mustang class. Mustangs, Camaros/Firebirds, and Challengers were not muscle cars (though the arguement then begins with a big block powered car) but more of a pony car. Would I consider a big block Cuda/Challenger a muscle car? Yes. Would I consider a 2nd gen Mustang with a Cleveland or a Windsor a muscle car? No, but if it had a 429? Yes. Why? high horsepower factory engines in lightweight (for the era) chassis.

Jon’s right, a Mopar 383 is a pooch, and they were factory rated at 330hp. But, like any other engine, put a lil of this with a lil of that and you can have something – its called a modified vehicle that should not be in a stock class :whistle:

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Rustypup,

Can you elaborate a little bit more on your review of the show? How was it a rip-off? What issues did you have with the show organization? Yeah, last Saturday was a hot day, but I don’t think the Road Apples Car Club has any control of the weather, nor should they not charge an entry fee just because its hot out. From reading the reviews of others, and attending this show myself in the past years, I’m curious to know why you feel the way you do about the show.

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Blanchardville on Sunday (provided it cools down). Monroe DQ starts there July Cruise nights this Saturday also

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104 degrees in my backyard right now.

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thekcarguy wrote:

I got done work early so I figured I would take the 81 Reliant to the show.I went past there about 8:00 this morning, no one was there, I arrived around 10 very small show this year..they didn’t advertise well so the show was a mess. But here is the part that steamed my clams, I entered the young adult class, my car is a weekender/nice weather car/ Show car. A kid pulled in with his daily driver 1987 Pontiac Firebird, he had no display, no hood open or anything, and he still won…I got 2nd, kinda insulted in a way. another example was a shelby super snake with 70 miles on it..he lost to a spray bombed 1990 Honda.. Then they allowed a daily driver suburu station wagon in the show….WTF?

I am done going to this show, it’s judges are poor and do not know cars..

but on the plus side it was free..

Was this a judged show? Or was it participant judged? I could see these scenario’s happening with participant judging, as friends will come in and vote for you, but if it was a judged show and a team of judges allowed this you won’t have to worry – Because this show will not continue in the future.

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circletrack wrote:

Nice pics, we thought about going, but are worn out from yesterday in the heat.. one day is plenty, let alone two

I thought about going to this show today also. But with the heat I too decided to stay home and keep fushing forward on projects I have here… Its amazing how much I can get done if I stick around here, and am not distracted by girls in short shorts or the refreshing taste of a cold Busch light on a hot summer day :whistle:

BTW, at least my ‘fan club’ made out to the show in the heat :whistle: :whistle:

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