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It is, and at less than 3 hrs. from Madison, it makes an easy day trip.

However, if you are lucky enough to get Tom started telling stories, you’ll wish you’d taken a sleeping bag. Whether it’s his years of SCCA racing Alfa Romeos, the weird cars he’s built, or any of the other crazy stunts he’s been involved in, it’s entertaining.

If you haven’t been, GO.

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GTO Man,

Correct, this is the show that Iola discontinued two years ago. IMHO, it’s a much better location.

The Motorama Auto Museum is only about 40 miles from Iola, but the grounds don’t bear any resemblance to Iola. First off, it’s out in the country, on private land, right along the Eau Claire river, and it’s in the woods. That means SHADE! Plus, if it gets too hot, you can go cool off in the river. Iola never offered kayaking or fishing!

It’s the second year in the new location, and they have continued to improve the grounds. We now have as many swap stalls available as Iola ever used for their Military Show. The Re-enactor’s Encampment is now as large as Iola’s area was. Electricity has been added to 1/2 of the camping space now, with lighting throughout. For campers, the temporary showers were a welcome addition, and a permanent shower building is scheduled for later this summer. In response to visitor requests, this will include outdoor showers too!

There are a few changes, mostly driven by insurance limitations, so no ammunition is for sale at the show. We do allow gun vendors, but only so long as their stock includes vintage military items too. (After all, it’s a Military Show, not a Gun Show.). Also, show-vehicles are prohibited from moving during the event, however they are welcome to explore the miles of trails on the property during the private participants’ party the day before the show.

As an added bonus, nearly the entire Motorama Auto Museum was open during the show. So when things got too hot outside, people went indoors and enjoyed the hundreds of unusual vehicles on display there. When was the last time you saw a Sabra, a Goliath, or a Zaporoget? We’ve even got a 1952 Disco Volante (one of maybe two in the world!!!!) on display.

Is this a “better” location? In my opinion yes. I worked the gate both days, so I had the opportunity to talk with visitors as they left. I did hear a couple critical comments, but by far the vast majority of people said they had a great time. We’re already making plans for a big motorcycle event, and hope to have the museum grounds host 3 or 4 large shows annually. The museum is open May through October, and is available for private events too.

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For anyone interested in attending the funeral for Papa John, it’s Saturday, Aug. 27. Here are the details: http://www.sonnenburgfamilyfh.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3839523&fh_id=12367

My hat’s off to him. RIP John.

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Yes, as I was told.

Outpatient surgery, then problems, and more surgery. His death was unexpected. Very sad for his family and lots of others too.

Make every day count. As Papa John would say: “Keep Cruising and be safe.”

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Robert Thiele, from Holmen. RIP man.
Still very much under investigation, apparently.
Be safe out there. You’re dead a long time.

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Good questions. Short answer, yes you are correct: DMV will honor a Bill of Sale price so long as it’s within the OCW Price Guide range.

By law, DMV has to determine the value of a vehicle in order to set the bond amount. The question becomes How?

We believe that a public, advertised sale (EBay, Hemmings, etc.) selling price as reflected on a Bill of Sale is the actual “value”. If it was actually worth more, someone would have paid more. So a Bill of Sale ought to be recognized as the “value”. But we all know that people can [strike]forget[/strike] lie on a Bill of Sale. We also know that some people privately sell their car at a ridiculously low price, like a guy selling to his brother. Even if DMV calls the seller and buyer and verifies their prices, it may not reflect the actual “value” of the vehicle. So DMV needs a way to verify that the price on a Bill of Sale is within reason, in order to get a true “value” of the vehicle.

Another way to value a car is with a price guide, such as NADA or Hagarty’s. But only one price guide which we found listed Conditions including “Poor” or “Parts Car”, and that was the Old Cars Weekly Price Guide. The other guides only included drivable cars, and many times a vehicle without a title will be in far worse shape than that. Remember that the minimum vehicle that you can bond for title must only consist of the cowl or frame with the VIN and some other part/s.

So IF you have a Bill of Sale, DMV will look at the photos to determine the condition, compare the sales price with the OCW guide, and honor the sales price so long as it’s within the guide’s range. If it’s out of the range, they will make a judgement and notify you of their valuation. If you disagree, you always have the option of getting an independent appraisal.

This all has to do with setting the Surety Bond amount, which must equal 1&1/2 times the value of the vehicle, by law.

However, the Sales Tax you pay will be based solely on the Bill of Sale purchase price.

If you have no Bill of Sale (let’s say you bought some land, and later discovered a car in a ditch there), then DMV will simply value it based on the OCW guide. Again, you have the option of an appraisal.

There were lots of concerns that had to be addressed to make this process work for both owners and DMV. Most people will likely never need to bond for title. But since state law allows citizens to do so, there had to be a workable process. Now there is.

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GTO Man,

You are SO right. It can be a big write-off, and sometimes it’s a lot more money than you’d get elsewhere.

Recently, two ’80s DeTomaso LongChamps went to the crusher, and the guy got $1200 total. :sick: We could have issued him a $5-6K tax credit for the pair, and those two cars would have been saved.

They were rough. They may not have been worth restoring. But they had a ton of good parts and they still were intact enough to display.

Watch for them soon, when they show up at a Harbor Trash near you, re-smelted back into a cheap crescent wrench!! (Excuse me while I go puke now. :woohoo: )

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Maddog,

Quote:

If unions don’t want to represent free-loaders in labor disputes, they don’t have to.

I’m not sure I agree with your comment.

I read what Henck wrote about the case, and then I found the actual document. It doesn’t exactly grant the unions the right to choose who they want to represent, IMHO. Better to look at the facts. Ultimately though, it’s probably court fodder for the future.

This is what the two parties agreed to in their Statement of Understanding:

Quote:

The Statement contained such key points of settlement as the unions’ acknowledgment that they were not then entitled to recognition as exclusive representatives, and would not seek such recognition unless and until certified as so entitled in single store unit elections conducted by the National Labor Relations Board, and Lasalle’s agreement to reinstate striking employees without discrimination.

Clerks v. Lion Dry Goods

Here is another reference to that case from another US district court ruling:

Quote:

“in light of its legislative history, congressional
intent, and underlying policies,” namely, a desire to “to expand,
not limit, the availability of forums for the enforcement of
contracts made by labor organizations.”

Sheet Metal Union v. Keating Bldg. Corp.

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Sold. Thanks Zac.

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It seems curious that one of the individuals mentioned as having resigned from the task force was Maureen Busalacchi, wife of former DOT Secretary Steve Busalacchi. Now the current DOT Secretary is reaching out to her? That might be an interesting conversation, I’d think.

Alcohol and man have a long history together. I’m not sure what can (or will) change that much. It’s pretty pervasive. On a individual level, how many here can claim to have never been charged with DUI?

So long as businesses and individuals are allowed to spend virtually unlimited amounts on campaigns, the money (and lobbyists it buys) will probably make the decision. :sick:

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All true, and all good news for old car people of all stripes. One big change is NO MORE PHOTOS REQUIRED for Collector applications. (DMV may request them in unusual cases however)

There are several new faces running the show at DMV, and all for the better IMHO. Mitch is one of the folks we’ve been working with there lately, and he’s a car guy himself. We’ve been able to work with them to resolve several small problem issues, and it’s been a welcome change.

Below is a link to a previous thread with the history of Act-103: http://www.wiscollectorcar.com/forum/the-drag-strip/46318-collector-plate-requirements-to-change?limitstart=0&q=/forum/the-drag-strip/46318-collector-plate-requirements-to-change?start=15

Here is an overview of the four types of lifetime registration available in Wis. and a guide to help you decide which license plates your car may qualify for, which we have gotten DMV’s approval for (printable copies available on request):

Wisconsin Lifetime-Registration Options
Prepared by Paul Underwood undy@mhtc.net and Tom Zat cosmo4info@gmail.com, provided by Motorama Museum
Developed in cooperation with Wisconsin DMV

Effective Date Mar. 1, 2014
In addition to the various annual-renewal license plates available (such as Auto, Truck, Farm, etc.), Wisconsin offers several lifetime-registration options. These are available for a variety of motor vehicles, with certain requirements for each category. Some vehicles will be eligible for more than one type of registration. This is meant to give you an overview of each registration option, and help you decide which you might qualify for. Lifetime-registration license plates stay with the original applicant and can be transferred to a different vehicle (with a fee), but cannot be transferred to a different individual.
Regardless of the type of registration you choose, virtually all vehicles must comply with Wis. Statute Ch. 347 and Wis. Administrative Code Trans305 Equipment Standards. Also, commercial vehicles and trucks in excess of 26,000# gvw must comply with US DOT requirements.

Lifetime-Registration options, Plates, Statutes, Requirements and Restrictions.
Antique Motor Vehicle (Antique)
Special Interest (Collector)
Reconstructed / Replica / Street Modified / Homemade Vehicles (Hobbyist)
Historic Military Vehicle (HMV)

Antique Motor Vehicle (Antique)
Wis. Stat. 341.265
Registration: Lifetime of Original Applicant
License Plate Cost: $5.00
Requirements: Must be model year 1945 or earlier, totally original condition.
Restrictions: Operation to & from display, parade, testing, maintenance and storage only.

Special Interest (Collector)
Wis. Stat. 341.266
Registration: Lifetime of owner.  Fees apply to transfer.
License Plate Cost: Twice regular annual fee for the vehicle, plus $50.
Requirements: Owner must also register a “daily driver” with annual registration. Vehicle must be 20 yrs. old or older. Vehicle may be modified, but body must appear stock, and is being preserved by a Collector.
Restrictions: The vehicle cannot be operated in January (unless a special permit is purchased), and trucks may not haul materials weighing more than 500 Lbs.
Exemptions: Four specific Former Military Vehicles can be registered as Collector, and yet are exempted from the originality requirement and from the payload restriction (Pinzgauer, Kaiser Jeep M-715, Humvee, and DUKW “Duck”).

Reconstructed / Replica / Street Modified / Homemade Vehicles (Hobbyist)
Wis. Stat. 341.268
Registration: Lifetime of owner.  Fees apply to transfer.
License Plate Cost: Twice regular annual fee for the vehicle, plus $50.
Requirements: Owner must also register a “daily driver” with annual registration. Reconstructed and Street Modified vehicles must be based on a vehicle 20 yrs. old or older. Replica vehicles must resemble a vehicle 20 yrs. old or older. Vehicle may be modified, including body.
Restrictions: The vehicle cannot be operated in January (unless a special permit is purchased), and trucks may not haul materials weighing more than 500 Lbs. A vehicle which “no longer resembles the original manufactured vehicle” may be considered a Reconstructed vehicle & have more stringent requirements. May require a State Patrol inspection for compliance with Wis. Ch. 347 & Trans305 Equip. Standards.

Historic Military Vehicles (HMV)
Wis. Stat. 341.269
Registration: Lifetime of Original Applicant
License Plate Cost: $30
Requirements: Vehicle must have rubber tires (no tracked vehicles), and be in original military design and markings. Import vehicles must be older than 25-yrs. U.S. vehicles may be of any age. May be a trailer.
Restrictions: The vehicle may be used year-round for special purposes such as display, parades, and for occasional personal use (not regular use) with no payload restriction.
Does My Vehicle Qualify?
Obviously these choices of Lifetime Registration options have certain requirements which must be met. But you’ve probably got some choices. Here’s an overview of which vehicles likely may meet those requirements.

If you have a domestic or import (not ex-military or govt. surplus) vehicle:
Of any age may qualify for annual renewal choices.
Older than 20 years, with a non-modified body may qualify for Hobbyist or Collector.
Older than 20 years, with a modified body may qualify for a Hobbyist.
Model-year 1945 or older may qualify for an Antique.

If you have an ex-military (or govt. surplus) vehicle:
U.S. of any age may qualify for annual renewal choices or HMV
U.S. or imported older than 20 years may also qualify for Collector or Hobbyist.
Import older than 25 years may qualify for annual renewal choices, Collector, Hobbyist, or HMV.
U.S. or import older than model-year 1945 may qualify for Antique.

If you have a Pinzgauer, Kaiser M-715, Humvee, and DUKW “Duck”:
Of any age, may qualify for annual renewal choices, Hobbyist, or HMV (Pinzgauer must be 25-yrs. old for HMV).
Older than 25 years may qualify for Collector (with special exemptions)

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Hey, thanks for posting this link. I’d never seen one before, but they were a topic of conversation recently.

Don Yenko’s daughter Lynn was in attendance at Milwaukee’s World of Wheels last Saturday. I went there with Tom to publicize the new law, as it goes into effect on Mar. 1 Tom’s dad also used to sell Chevys in Chicago, same as Don Yenko. Only one Stinger was supplied to each dealer, and Tom got theirs.

Turns out, both she and Tom wrecked one of the these cars racing them. Tom’s went upside down.

Small world.

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Mick289,
We needed to make the process easier for owners to understand and comply with, and we needed to stop DMV from interpreting the requirements too stringently. We believe we have succeeded at both. Glad it’s worked well for you. That’s exactly what we wanted.

Lordairgtar,
DOT does not have authority to change statute. But we did manage to get their blessing on it, before the legislature voted it through. The bill was signed into law on Dec. 13, 2013 by Gov. Walker. It goes into effect on Mar. 1, 2014.

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mick289 wrote:

I have a question about what is going to happen to vehicles already with collector plates on? will I have to renew my current registration, to become compliant?

Our bill did nothing to change the registration period of Collector plates. It’s still a lifetime registration. If you have previously issued Collector plates, they remain valid.

If your vehicle previously met Collector plate requirements, then it surely will meet the current ones. We made it easier to qualify for Collector plates.

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It’s one thing to change a law, it’s another to have it successfully implemented. Here is a writeup Tom and I prepared to give OWNERS information about the new changes. This has not been reviewed and approved by DMV at this point, however the information is taken from current and the new statutes.

NOTE THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF MARCH 1, 2014

Wisconsin Lifetime-Registration Options
Effective Date Mar. 1, 2014
In addition to the various annual-renewal license plates available (such as Auto, Truck, Farm, etc.), Wisconsin offers several lifetime-registration options. These are available for a variety of motor vehicles, with certain requirements for each category. Some vehicles will be eligible for more than one type of registration. This is meant to give you an overview of each registration option, and help you decide which you might qualify for. Lifetime-registration license plates stay with the original applicant and can be transferred to a different vehicle (with a fee), but cannot be transferred to a different individual.
Regardless of the type of registration you choose, virtually all vehicles must comply with Wis. Statute Ch. 347 and Wis. Administrative Code Trans305 Equipment Standards. Also, commercial vehicles and trucks in excess of 26,000# gvw must comply with US DOT requirements.
Lifetime-Registration options, Plates, Statutes, Requirements and Restrictions.
Antique Motor Vehicle (Antique)
Special Interest (Collector)
Reconstructed / Replica / Street Modified / Homemade Vehicles (Hobbyist)
Historic Military Vehicle (HMV)

Antique Motor Vehicle (Antique)
Wis. Stat. 341.265
Registration: Lifetime of Original Applicant
License Plate Cost: $5.00
Requirements: Must be model year 1945 or earlier, totally original condition.
Restrictions: Operation to & from display, parade, testing, maintenance and storage only.

Special Interest (Collector)
Wis. Stat. 341.266
Registration: Lifetime of Original Applicant
License Plate Cost: Twice regular annual fee for the vehicle, plus $50.
Requirements: Owner must also register a “daily driver” with annual registration. Vehicle must be 20 yrs. old or older. Vehicle may be modified, but body must appear stock, and is being preserved by a Collector.
Restrictions: The vehicle cannot be operated in January (unless a special permit is purchased), and trucks cannot exceed 500# payload.
Exemptions: Four specific Former Military Vehicles can be registered as Collector, and yet are exempted from the originality requirement and from the payload restriction (Pinzgauer, Kaiser Jeep M-715, Humvee, and DUKW “Duck”).

Reconstructed / Replica / Street Modified / Homemade Vehicles (Hobbyist)
Wis. Stat. 341.268
Registration: Lifetime of Original Applicant
License Plate Cost: Twice regular annual fee for the vehicle, plus $50.
Requirements: Owner must also register a “daily driver” with annual registration. Reconstructed and Street Modified vehicles must be based on a vehicle 20 yrs. old or older. Replica vehicles must resemble a vehicle 20 yrs. old or older. Vehicle may be modified, including body.
Restrictions: The vehicle cannot be operated in January (unless a special permit is purchased), and trucks cannot exceed 500# payload. A vehicle which “no longer resembles the original manufactured vehicle” may be considered a Reconstructed vehicle and may have more stringent requirements. May require a State Patrol inspection for compliance with Wis. Ch. 347 & Trans305 Equipment Standards.

Historic Military Vehicles (HMV)
Wis. Stat. 341.269
Registration: Lifetime of Original Applicant
License Plate Cost: $30
Requirements: Vehicle must have rubber tires (no tracked vehicles), and be in original military design and markings. Import vehicles must be older than 25-yrs. U.S. vehicles may be of any age. May be a trailer.
Restrictions: The vehicle may be used year-round for special purposes such as display, parades, and for occasional personal use (not regular use) with no payload restriction.
Does My Vehicle Qualify?
Obviously these choices of Lifetime Registration options have certain requirements which must be met. But you’ve probably got some choices. Here’s an overview of which vehicles likely may meet those requirements.

If you have a domestic or import (not ex-military or govt. surplus) vehicle:
Of any age may qualify for annual renewal choices.
Older than 20 years, with a stock-appearing body may qualify for Hobbyist or Collector.
Older than 20 years, with a modified body may qualify for a Hobbyist.
Model-year 1945 or older may qualify for an Antique.

If you have an ex-military (or govt. surplus) vehicle:
U.S. of any age may qualify for annual renewal choices or HMV
U.S. or imported older than 20 years may also qualify for Collector or Hobbyist.
Import older than 25 years may qualify for annual renewal choices, Collector, Hobbyist, or HMV.
U.S. or import older than model-year 1945 may qualify for Antique.

If you have a Pinzgauer, Kaiser M-715, Humvee, and DUKW “Duck”, you hit gold:
Of any age, may qualify for annual renewal choices, Hobbyist, or HMV (Pinzgauer must be 25-yrs. old for HMV).
Older than 25 years may qualify for Collector (with special exemptions).

Prepared by Paul Underwood undy@mhtc.net and Tom Zat cosmo4info@gmail.com

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